The universe is taunting me tbh my post got so close to 1000 notes and stalled. Oh well. Next time.
My brother says that this scene is exactly what teaching feels like.
does anyone have a link for one of the echo cave secret -> follow-through gifsets? about how like all of their secrets “came true” so to speak?
—Netflix would be by far the best dating site. “Here are 9 other singles in your area who have also watched Breaking Bad for 12 straight hours”
I’ve noticed lately.
Someone writes a meta, or answers an ask with some meta. In that meta is a theory or head canon or … whatever. A day or so later, that theory or head canon ends up as an anon question on someone else’s blog.
For instance — a few days ago I saw someone ask Lady-silverblood a question. She wrote a really interesting and decent answer, that included some theory-type thoughts.
Today someone basically reposted those thoughts to Onceuponamirror as a question. Sarah didn’t really agree with it and shot down the theory, but mentioned that she thought it was an interesting idea.
In the last couple of weeks, I’ve written several metas and answers to asks. In them I’ve mentioned some of my personal theories and ideas — things I’d not seen ANYONE else mention (and I follow a lot of the prominent OUAT blogs). A day or so later, some of those theories were presented as anonymous questions to both lady-silverblood and onceuponamirror and I think I even saw one make it’s way over to storybrooke-mirror.
I’m trying to put my finger on why this annoys me a little. It’s like playing one person against another? Like “Mommy-Hilary said this, but let me see if aunty Sarah agrees.” Or “Cousin Mel is talking out of her ass, let me see if Mommy Hilary agrees.”
I don’t know if the goal is to start a fight (not gonna happen). Or if it’s just that they’re polling everyone to see if all the head canons align properly — and if they do it will unlock the secrets of the universe or something?
I don’t know.
(Sorry, I meant to reply to your message sooner, but schedule craziness.)
I think it’s the latter, and I’d try to take it as a compliment. People see something and find it intriguing/smart, and so bring it up to other blogs. I find it useful because I don’t usually have a lot of time (at least right now) to check other blogs or even my dash, so the majority of my theorizing/posting comes out of direct messages.
That said, I understand why you’d be annoyed; they’re paraphrasing the conclusion you came to on your own and presenting it like their own—anons who do this: just credit the blog you found this theory on?
Sorry, I wish there was a solution. There’s also the problem of the same message being sent to multiple bloggers, which is understanding from my stance since I’m only able to answer like 1 in 5 messages, but also quite frustrating for the users who spend a long time on their answer, myself included.
THIS REALLY AGGRAVATES ME TOO, and the OP nailed the reason. It feels gossipy to the degree of like ~going behind mom’s back~ to try and have trick dad into disagreeing.
I’ve had people bring other people’s meta theories to my ask box and I never bother going in depth about my opinions/responses because I’m like what’s the point? It’ll just wind up in someone else’s askbox instead of reblogged with discussion on it. If I wanted to establish my opinion on that post, I would have REBLOGGED THAT POST to discuss it.
Idk. It just seems like a sneaky and rude way to get someone else to cut down a theory that any given anon doesn’t like. Or asking someone else to develop that anon’s ideas for them, as if they need our approval to have opinions.
Critics’ Reactions to the Jaime/Cersei Rape Scene in Episode 4.3 of Game of Thrones
"I wonder, then, if the rape was on some level a misguided attempt to give Cersei even more pathos, a la the convenient backstory rapes that have become depressingly common on prestige TV (and Scandal)…I wonder if TV Thrones‘s writers just have a tendency to change problematic book sex scenes into clear scenes of unconsensual sex.” - Hillary Busis, Entertainment Weekly
“Game of Thrones has a rape problem.” - Kevin Spak, Newser
"In the original depiction, Jaime never says “Why have the Gods made me love a hateful woman?” — a line that the TV show added in, which in context makes Jaime look like an abusive rapist (the gods made me do it!)”- Darren Franich, Entertainment Weekly
Jaime forced himself upon Cersei despite her demands to stop. “It’s not right,” she cried, to which Jaime snarled, “I don’t care.”…we can never unsee that godawful scene. - Leanne Aguilera, E! Online
"If this scene really just is a miscalculation in direction (and potentially the writing of Benioff and Weiss, neither of whom have yet commented on it) and doesn’t get any payoff later in the season, then it truly deserves all the criticism it has been receiving.” - Terri Schwartz, Zap2It
The director who shot the scene and the man who acted in it both believe it wasn’t necessarily nonconsensual sex— an attitude that isn’t totally surprising in a society that’s deeply confused about what constitutes consent, and that doesn’t always recognize sexual violence for what it is. -Tara Culp-Ressler, ThinkProgress
So then Jaime … well … no other way to put this, really. He rapes his sister beside their corpse of their murdered son. This is the same guy who protected Brienne from a similar fate last year. - James Hibberd, Entertainment Weekly
"…the show’s overall treatment of women as disposable objects onto whom physical and emotional violence are relentlessly enacted. Sexual violence is so pervasive on the show that nearly every woman on the show has been raped or threatened with rape. The show, and the books, reveal the disturbing and cavalier facility with which rape becomes a narrative device.Rape is used to punish. Rape is used to make a woman more sympathetic or to explicate their anger or other unlikable qualities. Rape is used to put women in their place.” -Roxane Gay, Salon
"The entire scene in the sept was an exercise in Cersei’s belittlement. She watched her father degrade and dishonor (albeit truthfully) her firstborn’s legacy and then manipulate her youngest into serving as his marionette. Then, on the floor next to the body of her dead son, the only man she’s ever taken into her confidence abused that trust in the most vile way imaginable.” - Hillary Kelly, The New Republic
"A giggling dead body would have at least taken our attention away from, you know, the raping." - Johnny Brayson, wetpaint
"Whether the show meant it to come across that way or not, what we saw was a rape.” - Erik Kain, Forbes
"The scene, which has Cersei pleading “stop it” repeatedly and struggling against Jaime, appears far from consensual." - Margaret Wappler, Los Angeles Times
In the show there’s no other way to interpret it as unambiguous rape. Jaimie isn’t loving when he tries to have sex with her in the show, he’s shown as being angry and hateful, cursing her for being a wicked woman. There’s no point in the scene on the show that we can see Cersei consent, which makes the whole scene significantly different from the book. Some readers have pointed out that the rape in the show is damaging for Cersei’s character arc since she had to endure the marriage to Robert Baratheon in which he essentially engaged in marital rape, Her consensual sex was always with Jaimie who made her feel safe. Jaimie raping her in the show completely destroys their relationship and destroys the trust she has in Jaimie leaving her without anyone. - AJ, the Digital Times
The rewritten scene also takes away all of Cersei’s agency. In the original text, Cersei chooses to have sex with Jaime, grotesque as it and the setting may be — because she wants to, or because she uses sex to manipulate, it doesn’t matter. Cersei has power and control. The scene in the show deprives her of all of that. - Amelia McDonell-Parry, The Frisky
His response is not to stop loving her, not to stop believing that he is victim to the gods. Instead, Jaime rapes his sister, passing that sense of unendurable pain on to her. He must know that this is the worst possible way that he could hurt her. Jaime knew that Robert raped Cersei, and in the novels, he wanted to kill Robert for it. Not only does raping Cersei remind his sister of her repeated, humiliating violation, Jaime is poisoning their own relationship, the thing that had been Cersei’s antidote to the miseries of her marriage. It is an exceptionally cruel thing for Jaime to do. - Alyssa Rosenberg, Washington Post.
It’s hard to shake the idea that Game Of Thrones, the show, doesn’t see a problem with pushing a scene from complicated, consensual sex to outright rape. It would be easier to accept that idea if it were clear what the show was trying to do with those changes. - Sonia Saraiya, AV Club
If Graves intended to depict consensual sex in the end, he completely failed. This wasn’t even one of those terribly clichéd scenes where a man starts raping a woman only to find that she comes around to thinking it’s hot. Cersei is still kicking and protesting when the camera cuts away. It’s as straightforward a rape scene as you’ll get on TV, unless you buy the ridiculous myth that a woman can’t be raped if she’s consented to sex with a man before. - Amanda Marcotte, Slate
This isn’t the first rape scene in Game of Thrones—far from it. And there’s been controversy over the show’s use of rape before. But what makes this scene the most upsetting one yet is that the director didn’t realize he was filming a rape scene…Whether or not the creators intended this to be a rape scene is irrelevant; they made one anyway. And worse, they made one that encourages the most dangerous thinking about rape imaginable. - Laura Hudson, Wired
"How will victims of sexual assault be affected when a director and actor in one of television’s most popular shows questions whether no really means no?" - Eliana Dockterman, Time Magazine
I’ll go ahead and say it: Jaime Lannister has become a rape cliché. He’s the boss, like every other on-screen rapist we’ve ever seen. - Hayley Krischer, Salon
"I’m not opposed to shows depicting sexual violence, but rape-as-prop is always distressing…Rape and abuse have consequences for the victims who carry those traumas with them. While I don’t know exactly how the show will depict the aftermath of Jamie raping Cersei, GoT does not have a strong track record of acknowledging or exploring the lingering effects of surviving sexual assault." - Margarey Lyons, Vulture/New York Magazine
"I can’t think of any comparable defense for the rape scene in "Breaker of Chains," which feels like a naked and ill-conceived attempt to push Game of Thrones into even darker territory. …I’m concerned that Game of Thrones has made a mistake it can’t take back — and one that sets a troubling precedent for the show’s future.” - Scott Meslow, The Week
The Game of Thrones Rape Scene Was Unnecessary and Despicable….The fact that showrunners might be asking us to overlook this for the sake of character development is downright insulting and says a lot about how we treat victims, especially the ones who come off as unlikable. - Madeleine Davies, Jezebel.com
Is “Game of Thrones” Obsessed With Sexual Assault?…Frankly, there are some weeks when “Game of Thrones” doesn’t seem worth the effort. - Sam Adams, IndieWire
ღ » “The other night, I helped save someone’s life. That felt really good. And I look at you, and all I can think is that you helped kill Boyd. You’re not just a bad boy, Aiden, you’re a bad guy. And I don’t want to be with the bad guys.”
100% of people who tell you you’re too sensitive are saying it because they don’t want to be held responsible for your reaction when they mistreat you
So, I’ve been thinking about the whole Cora, Leopold, and Regina mess. And in a weird way, this most recent episode actually made the Stable Queen, in a twisted way, not nearly as bad as it had once seemed.
Because I know a lot of people like to act like Leopold was some awful old man that probably (yes, I’ve seen this) raped Regina or something terrible when they got married. But, knowing now that he was such a good, gentle, kind hearted man - who once loved Cora, makes Cora’s set-up make sense.
She knew that Leopold would care for her daughter as well as facilitate her being a royal. She knew that, because of the past, Regina would have been well cared for by the King, just as Cora would have been had Ava not interfered.
In a weird way, despite Cora’s misguided ways and the fact that she had no heart - she did care for Regina’s well-being. I’ve always believed that Cora had had a dalliance like Regina and Daniel and that was what sparked her to kill Daniel and I was right.
Cora saw Cora/Jonathan 2.0 starting. A commoner leading her daughter astray and she ended it. There’s an essence of manipulative, controlling mother, vicariously living through her daughter to the whole situation. But, that’s basically my take on the whole thing.
Not a plot line. A plot hole.
These two episodes explain several things. All the things it explains are in bold and my reasoning is underneath.
It explains why Cora signed the contract.
Cora is, basically, bitch-slapping Rumple as she knows the truth. Zelena is gone and Rumple can’t, as far as she knows, get her first born - he may know of Zelena, but he cannot get to Oz; if he could, there’d be no need to send Jefferson to get the Slippers! - so she wins on all fronts: she gets power and prestige and successfully brokers with the Dark One with no ill consequences.
For Rumple, it was a case of getting what he wanted - Bae - and putting everyone into a position for him to use.
He choose Regina as Zelena, to him, was petty, unable to put her envy aside and would not do what he wanted - she would solely target Regina, as she does in Storybrooke. She goes off on a whim, turns green, turns Walsh into a monkey and tried to kill Regina… everything Rumple wanted to avoid as it was his plan to get Baelfire, not Regina.
Regina, on the other hand, was always plotting on one cause: Snow White’s suffering. The Dark Curse would give her that and give Rumple what he wanted. Thus, for Rumple, the choice was simple: drop cazy psycho bitch Zelena and apprentice Regina - he’d waited 300 years already, so another few years while Regina learns is nothing as long as his plan worked.
As for the stuff with Eva tripping Cora.
Eva knows who she is and it has a double meaning: it was a warning to keep her away from Leopold again as he and Eva are presumably not married - there’s eight years between Regina and Snow and the former is only just born at the end of The Miller’s Daughter - and is also Eva gloating and saying “I won - go home, bitch!”
That’s also why Cora is so angry at apologising to Eva - Eva’s already fucked up her prospects once and could have done so again by embarrassing Cora there.
It explains why Cora poisoned Eva.
Cora would have had Leopold but Eva fucked it up. With Eva dead and Snow having been saved from the bolting horse that Cora caused, there would be nothing in the way of Regina becoming Queen.
Then, Snow revealed Daniel’s part in the problem; no matter - death to the Stable Boy who could be replaced and was collateral damage.
With Daniel dead there was nothing - Nadda, zilch, el zippo! - in the way of Regina’s rise to power and Cora’s rise with her.
And, indirectly, it all worked; Regina became Queen and had everything Cora wanted… and thanks to Regina, Cora became Queen of Wonderland and true royalty herself.
See? It all makes sense.
Eva’s presence seems to also be what spurs Cora into stealing the dress and mask in order to make it to the ball. She’s clearly determined to become a princess at the least, and seeing Eva again (and having Eva compound her misery) just puts a sharper edge on her ambition. Adam and Eddy have also confirmed that when Leopold meets Regina and Cora in The Stable Boy, he DOES recognize who he was speaking with. We only have 7 confirmed kingdoms and their attendant royals—The White Kingdom (Leopold, Snow, and Eva/Regina), The Northern Kingdom (Princess Eva and her parents), The Golden Kingdom (Midas, Abigail, and Frederick), The Rose Kingdom (Princess Aurora, her parents, and Prince Phillip), The Sea Kingdom (Prince Eric, his parents, and Ariel), The Poor Kingdom (Prince Henry, his parents, and Cora), and The Insolvent Kingdom (Prince James and King George)—which is a relatively small number if you compare it to say Medieval and Renaissance Europe. These families would have intermarried certainly, but they also would have brokered treaties and alliances; odds are high that Cora’s bid to become princess was well-known, and the king’s harshness with her (and constantly reminding her of her place) stems from a knowledge of her past. He knew that she was a gold-digger because she had acquired a reputation.
It’s a Buffy quote!